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		<title>By: Jeb</title>
		<link>http://birdhouse.org/blog/2007/11/28/earthquake-preparedness-and-guns/comment-page-1/#comment-215199</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To clarify... this post caused us to *discuss* and then even *shop* gun options. And then I even made a choice. But we ain&#039;t buying. The risk/benefit ratio isn&#039;t right for me. However, Kathy does like your emergency kit on wheels storage idea. We have to worry more about ice storms, tornadoes, drought, (and I guess terrorists) in Atlanta.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To clarify&#8230; this post caused us to *discuss* and then even *shop* gun options. And then I even made a choice. But we ain&#8217;t buying. The risk/benefit ratio isn&#8217;t right for me. However, Kathy does like your emergency kit on wheels storage idea. We have to worry more about ice storms, tornadoes, drought, (and I guess terrorists) in Atlanta.</p>
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		<title>By: shacker</title>
		<link>http://birdhouse.org/blog/2007/11/28/earthquake-preparedness-and-guns/comment-page-1/#comment-215091</link>
		<dc:creator>shacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait... you&#039;re not going to buy a gun for the family but you are buying one for yourself? Does that mean you&#039;re not going to store it in the house? And if not, then where? In your disaster kit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait&#8230; you&#8217;re not going to buy a gun for the family but you are buying one for yourself? Does that mean you&#8217;re not going to store it in the house? And if not, then where? In your disaster kit?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeb</title>
		<link>http://birdhouse.org/blog/2007/11/28/earthquake-preparedness-and-guns/comment-page-1/#comment-215042</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So this post spawned even more discussion in the household and we started researching guns. (We don&#039;t own anything more than a single shot .22 rifle that my Dad bought from JC Penny when he was 15. And even that is hidden far and away from kids.) Not that we are going to buy a gun, but I did decide on a Glock 23 for myself thanks to &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GLOCK&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wikipedia&lt;/a&gt;...

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GLOCK&quot;&gt;The U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation issues all agents graduating from the FBI Academy a Glock 22 or Glock 23 according to the agent&#039;s preference&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So this post spawned even more discussion in the household and we started researching guns. (We don&#8217;t own anything more than a single shot .22 rifle that my Dad bought from JC Penny when he was 15. And even that is hidden far and away from kids.) Not that we are going to buy a gun, but I did decide on a Glock 23 for myself thanks to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GLOCK" rel="nofollow">wikipedia</a>&#8230;</p>
<blockquote cite="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GLOCK">The U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation issues all agents graduating from the FBI Academy a Glock 22 or Glock 23 according to the agent&#8217;s preference</blockquote>
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		<title>By: shacker</title>
		<link>http://birdhouse.org/blog/2007/11/28/earthquake-preparedness-and-guns/comment-page-1/#comment-201508</link>
		<dc:creator>shacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 07:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spelling fixed. Sorry!</description>
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		<title>By: Matt Schinckel</title>
		<link>http://birdhouse.org/blog/2007/11/28/earthquake-preparedness-and-guns/comment-page-1/#comment-201485</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Schinckel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 07:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toys guns are worse, IMHO.  They have, as Scot said, the same inflammatory effect.  But you can&#039;t back it up.

There have been numerous cases of kids shot by police, when it later turned out the &quot;weapons&quot; they were &quot;packing&quot; were actually toys.

By the same token, there have been cases where (young black male) people have been shot reaching for their wallets, to produce ID.  But I think that was only in New York City. (Michael Moore, I think did a thing on this in his TV show).

And PJ: why should Miles have to learn gun safety?  I learned gun safety, as I was in a situation where a gun was always kept in the house.  My partner, on the other hand, wouldn&#039;t know how to safely handle a gun, other than basic common sense, because she grew up in a metropolitan area, and had no need to handle a gun.

(Oh, and Scot, it&#039;s &lt;em&gt;in&lt;/em&gt;, not &lt;em&gt;ni&lt;/em&gt; in my name.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toys guns are worse, IMHO.  They have, as Scot said, the same inflammatory effect.  But you can&#8217;t back it up.</p>
<p>There have been numerous cases of kids shot by police, when it later turned out the &#8220;weapons&#8221; they were &#8220;packing&#8221; were actually toys.</p>
<p>By the same token, there have been cases where (young black male) people have been shot reaching for their wallets, to produce ID.  But I think that was only in New York City. (Michael Moore, I think did a thing on this in his TV show).</p>
<p>And PJ: why should Miles have to learn gun safety?  I learned gun safety, as I was in a situation where a gun was always kept in the house.  My partner, on the other hand, wouldn&#8217;t know how to safely handle a gun, other than basic common sense, because she grew up in a metropolitan area, and had no need to handle a gun.</p>
<p>(Oh, and Scot, it&#8217;s <em>in</em>, not <em>ni</em> in my name.)</p>
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		<title>By: shacker</title>
		<link>http://birdhouse.org/blog/2007/11/28/earthquake-preparedness-and-guns/comment-page-1/#comment-201362</link>
		<dc:creator>shacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 05:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder whether flashing a toy gun would have the same &quot;provocative&quot; effect that a real gun has (see Matt Schinckel, above). In other words, could it cause more trouble, rather than less. You could still end up in a gunfight, only without any ammo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder whether flashing a toy gun would have the same &#8220;provocative&#8221; effect that a real gun has (see Matt Schinckel, above). In other words, could it cause more trouble, rather than less. You could still end up in a gunfight, only without any ammo.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeb</title>
		<link>http://birdhouse.org/blog/2007/11/28/earthquake-preparedness-and-guns/comment-page-1/#comment-201284</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 04:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just had this discussion with my beloved the other day. She has been storing supplies since Y2K and reinforced by 9/11. I built her heavy duty shelves because I kept finding food, water, etc. hidden inside of of nooks and crannies.

You mention the guy who asks for water... it isn&#039;t the askers but the takers you have to worry about. I told her we would need a gun to help protect her supplies.

Since you are not big on guns, I think this is simple. Get a fake pistol with holster. Wear it as you roll your supplies can down Mad Max Blvd. Wear the hat from your avatar. No one will mess with you or your family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just had this discussion with my beloved the other day. She has been storing supplies since Y2K and reinforced by 9/11. I built her heavy duty shelves because I kept finding food, water, etc. hidden inside of of nooks and crannies.</p>
<p>You mention the guy who asks for water&#8230; it isn&#8217;t the askers but the takers you have to worry about. I told her we would need a gun to help protect her supplies.</p>
<p>Since you are not big on guns, I think this is simple. Get a fake pistol with holster. Wear it as you roll your supplies can down Mad Max Blvd. Wear the hat from your avatar. No one will mess with you or your family.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://birdhouse.org/blog/2007/11/28/earthquake-preparedness-and-guns/comment-page-1/#comment-197795</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,1860819,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Disaster capitalism: how to make money out of misery&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,1860819,00.html" rel="nofollow">Disaster capitalism: how to make money out of misery</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: zoe krylova</title>
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		<dc:creator>zoe krylova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>long ago, when i was preparing to leave buffalo, ny, to travel out west and eventually move to ca, a cocktail waitress i worked with asked me, in all seriousness, &quot;you&#039;re going to have a gun with you while you travel aren&#039;t you?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>long ago, when i was preparing to leave buffalo, ny, to travel out west and eventually move to ca, a cocktail waitress i worked with asked me, in all seriousness, &#8220;you&#8217;re going to have a gun with you while you travel aren&#8217;t you?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: PJ Doland</title>
		<link>http://birdhouse.org/blog/2007/11/28/earthquake-preparedness-and-guns/comment-page-1/#comment-193895</link>
		<dc:creator>PJ Doland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should definitely get one.

How else will Miles learn gun-safety?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should definitely get one.</p>
<p>How else will Miles learn gun-safety?</p>
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		<title>By: shacker</title>
		<link>http://birdhouse.org/blog/2007/11/28/earthquake-preparedness-and-guns/comment-page-1/#comment-193127</link>
		<dc:creator>shacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, that settles it. No Glock in our rolling wastebin. Oops, guess I just tipped off future earthquake thugs. 

Matt - you&#039;re referring to the data about connection between advent of legalized abortion and lower crime rates 18 years later as covered in Freakonomics? Fascinating stuff - have been meaning to post about that for ages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that settles it. No Glock in our rolling wastebin. Oops, guess I just tipped off future earthquake thugs. </p>
<p>Matt &#8211; you&#8217;re referring to the data about connection between advent of legalized abortion and lower crime rates 18 years later as covered in Freakonomics? Fascinating stuff &#8211; have been meaning to post about that for ages.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Schinckel</title>
		<link>http://birdhouse.org/blog/2007/11/28/earthquake-preparedness-and-guns/comment-page-1/#comment-192480</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Schinckel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Granted, there are some issues with gun bans.  I think the biggest failure of gun bans is that they only remove guns that are legally owned to begin with.  Criminals are hardly likely to turn in a banned gun, even under some form of amnesty.

Gun bans do appear to reduce the number of accidental deaths from firearm related incidents.  But legalised abortion does a better job of reducing the number of violent deaths due to firearms than any gun ban.

Having said that, and having grown up in a rural environment where firearms were a necessity (not to shoot the natives, or any type of dangerous wild animals, but to quickly and humanely put down sick or hurt animals, or kill pests like foxes and rabbits), I don&#039;t believe that guns should be widely available to the general population.

I live in Australia, which has much more draconian firearms regulation than the USA, and I know in the UK, which is even more so, the penalties for illegal gun ownership preclude all but the most hardened criminals from packing heat.  At least a &quot;professional&quot; criminal is less likely to accidentally shoot someone than a &quot;new-to-criminality&quot; criminal.  Or so I&#039;d like to believe.

(As for the last bit - I&#039;d be very alarmed if some of my neighbours were carrying weapons.  Mainly because they are too old to walk unassisted down the street.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Granted, there are some issues with gun bans.  I think the biggest failure of gun bans is that they only remove guns that are legally owned to begin with.  Criminals are hardly likely to turn in a banned gun, even under some form of amnesty.</p>
<p>Gun bans do appear to reduce the number of accidental deaths from firearm related incidents.  But legalised abortion does a better job of reducing the number of violent deaths due to firearms than any gun ban.</p>
<p>Having said that, and having grown up in a rural environment where firearms were a necessity (not to shoot the natives, or any type of dangerous wild animals, but to quickly and humanely put down sick or hurt animals, or kill pests like foxes and rabbits), I don&#8217;t believe that guns should be widely available to the general population.</p>
<p>I live in Australia, which has much more draconian firearms regulation than the USA, and I know in the UK, which is even more so, the penalties for illegal gun ownership preclude all but the most hardened criminals from packing heat.  At least a &#8220;professional&#8221; criminal is less likely to accidentally shoot someone than a &#8220;new-to-criminality&#8221; criminal.  Or so I&#8217;d like to believe.</p>
<p>(As for the last bit &#8211; I&#8217;d be very alarmed if some of my neighbours were carrying weapons.  Mainly because they are too old to walk unassisted down the street.)</p>
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		<title>By: mneptok</title>
		<link>http://birdhouse.org/blog/2007/11/28/earthquake-preparedness-and-guns/comment-page-1/#comment-192464</link>
		<dc:creator>mneptok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Firearms should never be thought of as a physical deterrent, only psychological; meaning banning guns allows criminals to know that no one has them, and they are psychologically predicated to believe their intended victims are helpless.

Gun bans are a failure in this regard. They remove the psychological deterrent.

But the physical gun itself should only be displayed in situations where you are prepared to use deadly force without hesitation. If a bear was mauling Miles, pulling out a gun makes sense. You&#039;ll shoot that bear without thinking twice.

Pulling out a gun to defend your last Twinkie is a bit different. There will be hesitation, as neither you nor I consider a fookin&#039; Twinkie worth a human life, no matter how miserable that life.

Don&#039;t pack a gun. Rely on your neighbors to be armed, and thus supply the psychological deterrent. And foist the &quot;flight or fight&quot; dilemma on them. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firearms should never be thought of as a physical deterrent, only psychological; meaning banning guns allows criminals to know that no one has them, and they are psychologically predicated to believe their intended victims are helpless.</p>
<p>Gun bans are a failure in this regard. They remove the psychological deterrent.</p>
<p>But the physical gun itself should only be displayed in situations where you are prepared to use deadly force without hesitation. If a bear was mauling Miles, pulling out a gun makes sense. You&#8217;ll shoot that bear without thinking twice.</p>
<p>Pulling out a gun to defend your last Twinkie is a bit different. There will be hesitation, as neither you nor I consider a fookin&#8217; Twinkie worth a human life, no matter how miserable that life.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t pack a gun. Rely on your neighbors to be armed, and thus supply the psychological deterrent. And foist the &#8220;flight or fight&#8221; dilemma on them. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Schinckel</title>
		<link>http://birdhouse.org/blog/2007/11/28/earthquake-preparedness-and-guns/comment-page-1/#comment-192344</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Schinckel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got a mate who travels in international waters, and doesn&#039;t carry a firearm.  There is a significant chance of piracy, but you are &lt;em&gt;much&lt;/em&gt; more likely to be shot if you even have a gun on board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got a mate who travels in international waters, and doesn&#8217;t carry a firearm.  There is a significant chance of piracy, but you are <em>much</em> more likely to be shot if you even have a gun on board.</p>
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		<title>By: Gilbert Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gilbert Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My first boss was originally from Montana.  He leaned toward the libertarian-conspiracy-theorist side of the spectrum, and among other things, often declared that he didn&#039;t stockpile food, he stockpiled ammunition.  That wasn&#039;t too far from the truth...

At work, a couple blocks from the Senate, my disaster plan is to walk around to the corner liquor store, buy a bottle of whiskey, and hope for the best.  I don&#039;t think it&#039;s worth doing much more than that given proximity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first boss was originally from Montana.  He leaned toward the libertarian-conspiracy-theorist side of the spectrum, and among other things, often declared that he didn&#8217;t stockpile food, he stockpiled ammunition.  That wasn&#8217;t too far from the truth&#8230;</p>
<p>At work, a couple blocks from the Senate, my disaster plan is to walk around to the corner liquor store, buy a bottle of whiskey, and hope for the best.  I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s worth doing much more than that given proximity.</p>
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